User talk:Jarandhel - Revision history

Jarandhel: Added a section heading for the first comment just to make the TOC show at the top rather than below it.

2023-09-14T02:21:37Z

Added a section heading for the first comment just to make the TOC show at the top rather than below it.

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			== Thanks ==
	Thank you so much for the welcome. I'm looking forward to helping this place out as much as I can. It'd be nice to have a comprehensive wiki for the nonhuman communities. :3 [[User:Kai\|Kai]] ([[User talk:Kai\|talk]]) 00:40, 3 April 2012 (EST)		Thank you so much for the welcome. I'm looking forward to helping this place out as much as I can. It'd be nice to have a comprehensive wiki for the nonhuman communities. :3 [[User:Kai\|Kai]] ([[User talk:Kai\|talk]]) 00:40, 3 April 2012 (EST)
	:Agreed. :) I'm looking forward to seeing what we can put together here, especially as members of the other nonhuman communities join us. [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 21:45, 2 April 2012 (PDT)		:Agreed. :) I'm looking forward to seeing what we can put together here, especially as members of the other nonhuman communities join us. [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 21:45, 2 April 2012 (PDT)

Visitor: /* Otherkin.net */

2016-07-11T07:05:44Z

Otherkin.net

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	::::Oh wow, that explains a lot. There are a few archived sites I had previously recorded things from that went down later, and I just assumed that the website owners requested that they be removed from the archive. What a load of garbage; I wonder what the reasoning is behind the change given the intended purpose of the archive. --[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 21:20, 28 June 2016 (EDT)		::::Oh wow, that explains a lot. There are a few archived sites I had previously recorded things from that went down later, and I just assumed that the website owners requested that they be removed from the archive. What a load of garbage; I wonder what the reasoning is behind the change given the intended purpose of the archive. --[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 21:20, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
	:::::I think it was done as a measure to reduce their liability for copyright infringement. Unfortunately, the practical result seems to be that when the archived site's robots.txt file is unreachable they make the archive inaccessible. I've run into this on a couple of sites now. Thankfully, at the moment the archive appears to be accessible again and I've grabbed a quick and dirty copy of the relevant files from archive.org. The formatting is terrible, I admit, I was more concerned about getting the material than about formatting it for presentation. Here's a link to the 7zip file on my dropbox: [https://www.dropbox.com/s/79gl1buc8zj74h7/Otherkin.net_files.7z?dl=0 Otherkin.net files] Hope it covers what you're looking for. -- [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User_talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 02:55, 11 July 2016 (EDT)		:::::I think it was done as a measure to reduce their liability for copyright infringement. Unfortunately, the practical result seems to be that when the archived site's robots.txt file is unreachable they make the archive inaccessible. I've run into this on a couple of sites now. Thankfully, at the moment the archive appears to be accessible again and I've grabbed a quick and dirty copy of the relevant files from archive.org. The formatting is terrible, I admit, I was more concerned about getting the material than about formatting it for presentation. Here's a link to the 7zip file on my dropbox: [https://www.dropbox.com/s/79gl1buc8zj74h7/Otherkin.net_files.7z?dl=0 Otherkin.net files] Hope it covers what you're looking for. -- [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User_talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 02:55, 11 July 2016 (EDT)
			::::::Thank you so much!! It's still up on wayback so I'm going to take everything from there while it's still up for formatting's sake and download the archive for good measure. Hopefully the inaccessibility was a fluke of some sort and everything that had been taken down remains on the archive, but for now I guess it's time to make a mad dash to preserve as much as possible just in case, though I don't remember half of what I wanted to grab. :/ --[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 03:05, 11 July 2016 (EDT)

Jarandhel: /* Otherkin.net */

2016-07-11T06:55:57Z

Otherkin.net

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	:::Well, the other thing is that otherkin.net was extensively archived by archive.org and there should have been no problem with the archive being maintained when the site was taken down. But for whatever reason, archive.org has recently made either a technical or a policy change which is resulting in some sites retroactively being removed from their public archives under _exactly_ the conditions that the archive was designed to preserve those sites. -- [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User_talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 19:16, 28 June 2016 (EDT)		:::Well, the other thing is that otherkin.net was extensively archived by archive.org and there should have been no problem with the archive being maintained when the site was taken down. But for whatever reason, archive.org has recently made either a technical or a policy change which is resulting in some sites retroactively being removed from their public archives under _exactly_ the conditions that the archive was designed to preserve those sites. -- [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User_talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 19:16, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
	::::Oh wow, that explains a lot. There are a few archived sites I had previously recorded things from that went down later, and I just assumed that the website owners requested that they be removed from the archive. What a load of garbage; I wonder what the reasoning is behind the change given the intended purpose of the archive. --[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 21:20, 28 June 2016 (EDT)		::::Oh wow, that explains a lot. There are a few archived sites I had previously recorded things from that went down later, and I just assumed that the website owners requested that they be removed from the archive. What a load of garbage; I wonder what the reasoning is behind the change given the intended purpose of the archive. --[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 21:20, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
			:::::I think it was done as a measure to reduce their liability for copyright infringement. Unfortunately, the practical result seems to be that when the archived site's robots.txt file is unreachable they make the archive inaccessible. I've run into this on a couple of sites now. Thankfully, at the moment the archive appears to be accessible again and I've grabbed a quick and dirty copy of the relevant files from archive.org. The formatting is terrible, I admit, I was more concerned about getting the material than about formatting it for presentation. Here's a link to the 7zip file on my dropbox: [https://www.dropbox.com/s/79gl1buc8zj74h7/Otherkin.net_files.7z?dl=0 Otherkin.net files] Hope it covers what you're looking for. -- [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User_talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 02:55, 11 July 2016 (EDT)

Visitor: /* Otherkin.net */

2016-06-29T01:20:34Z

Otherkin.net

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	::Thanks a ton for doing this, I've been searching to see if the missing articles have been posted elsewhere online and transcribing them all onto /r/internetcollection on reddit for safekeeping. It's a real shame to see so many important websites from the otherkin community and other subcultures go down; I don't think the people taking them off the web understand how important they are for understanding the history of those subcultures and internet history and anthropology at large. I never thought this one would go down since it was around for ages and so well-referenced so I never thought to save it. I guess this might be a hard lesson about having expectations about the lifespan of old websites. :'( --[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 18:32, 28 June 2016 (EDT)		::Thanks a ton for doing this, I've been searching to see if the missing articles have been posted elsewhere online and transcribing them all onto /r/internetcollection on reddit for safekeeping. It's a real shame to see so many important websites from the otherkin community and other subcultures go down; I don't think the people taking them off the web understand how important they are for understanding the history of those subcultures and internet history and anthropology at large. I never thought this one would go down since it was around for ages and so well-referenced so I never thought to save it. I guess this might be a hard lesson about having expectations about the lifespan of old websites. :'( --[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 18:32, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
	:::Well, the other thing is that otherkin.net was extensively archived by archive.org and there should have been no problem with the archive being maintained when the site was taken down. But for whatever reason, archive.org has recently made either a technical or a policy change which is resulting in some sites retroactively being removed from their public archives under _exactly_ the conditions that the archive was designed to preserve those sites. -- [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User_talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 19:16, 28 June 2016 (EDT)		:::Well, the other thing is that otherkin.net was extensively archived by archive.org and there should have been no problem with the archive being maintained when the site was taken down. But for whatever reason, archive.org has recently made either a technical or a policy change which is resulting in some sites retroactively being removed from their public archives under _exactly_ the conditions that the archive was designed to preserve those sites. -- [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User_talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 19:16, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
			::::Oh wow, that explains a lot. There are a few archived sites I had previously recorded things from that went down later, and I just assumed that the website owners requested that they be removed from the archive. What a load of garbage; I wonder what the reasoning is behind the change given the intended purpose of the archive. --[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 21:20, 28 June 2016 (EDT)

Jarandhel: /* Otherkin.net */

2016-06-28T23:16:32Z

Otherkin.net

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	:I'm aware of the issue with the archive.org copy of otherkin.net. Portions of the site have been archived at http://archive.is/http://otherkin.net/* but which pages were saved were rather hit-and-miss and there are large portions of the site which were not archived. I'm working on a possible way to retrieve a complete archive of the site, and will keep you posted if I'm successful. Failing that, I may contact the site creator and see if he has a backup that he would be willing to share. -- [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User_talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 00:54, 28 June 2016 (EDT)		:I'm aware of the issue with the archive.org copy of otherkin.net. Portions of the site have been archived at http://archive.is/http://otherkin.net/* but which pages were saved were rather hit-and-miss and there are large portions of the site which were not archived. I'm working on a possible way to retrieve a complete archive of the site, and will keep you posted if I'm successful. Failing that, I may contact the site creator and see if he has a backup that he would be willing to share. -- [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User_talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 00:54, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
	::Thanks a ton for doing this, I've been searching to see if the missing articles have been posted elsewhere online and transcribing them all onto /r/internetcollection on reddit for safekeeping. It's a real shame to see so many important websites from the otherkin community and other subcultures go down; I don't think the people taking them off the web understand how important they are for understanding the history of those subcultures and internet history and anthropology at large. I never thought this one would go down since it was around for ages and so well-referenced so I never thought to save it. I guess this might be a hard lesson about having expectations about the lifespan of old websites. :'( --[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 18:32, 28 June 2016 (EDT)		::Thanks a ton for doing this, I've been searching to see if the missing articles have been posted elsewhere online and transcribing them all onto /r/internetcollection on reddit for safekeeping. It's a real shame to see so many important websites from the otherkin community and other subcultures go down; I don't think the people taking them off the web understand how important they are for understanding the history of those subcultures and internet history and anthropology at large. I never thought this one would go down since it was around for ages and so well-referenced so I never thought to save it. I guess this might be a hard lesson about having expectations about the lifespan of old websites. :'( --[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 18:32, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
			:::Well, the other thing is that otherkin.net was extensively archived by archive.org and there should have been no problem with the archive being maintained when the site was taken down. But for whatever reason, archive.org has recently made either a technical or a policy change which is resulting in some sites retroactively being removed from their public archives under _exactly_ the conditions that the archive was designed to preserve those sites. -- [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User_talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 19:16, 28 June 2016 (EDT)

Visitor: /* Otherkin.net */

2016-06-28T22:32:55Z

Otherkin.net

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	--[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 23:07, 27 June 2016 (EDT)		--[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 23:07, 27 June 2016 (EDT)
	:I'm aware of the issue with the archive.org copy of otherkin.net. Portions of the site have been archived at http://archive.is/http://otherkin.net/* but which pages were saved were rather hit-and-miss and there are large portions of the site which were not archived. I'm working on a possible way to retrieve a complete archive of the site, and will keep you posted if I'm successful. Failing that, I may contact the site creator and see if he has a backup that he would be willing to share. -- [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User_talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 00:54, 28 June 2016 (EDT)		:I'm aware of the issue with the archive.org copy of otherkin.net. Portions of the site have been archived at http://archive.is/http://otherkin.net/* but which pages were saved were rather hit-and-miss and there are large portions of the site which were not archived. I'm working on a possible way to retrieve a complete archive of the site, and will keep you posted if I'm successful. Failing that, I may contact the site creator and see if he has a backup that he would be willing to share. -- [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User_talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 00:54, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
			::Thanks a ton for doing this, I've been searching to see if the missing articles have been posted elsewhere online and transcribing them all onto /r/internetcollection on reddit for safekeeping. It's a real shame to see so many important websites from the otherkin community and other subcultures go down; I don't think the people taking them off the web understand how important they are for understanding the history of those subcultures and internet history and anthropology at large. I never thought this one would go down since it was around for ages and so well-referenced so I never thought to save it. I guess this might be a hard lesson about having expectations about the lifespan of old websites. :'( --[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 18:32, 28 June 2016 (EDT)

Jarandhel: /* otherkin.net */

2016-06-28T04:54:12Z

otherkin.net

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	No problem! I'm very used to editing wikis. [[User:Equivamp\|Equivamp]] ([[User talk:Equivamp\|talk]]) 22:54, 11 July 2013 (UTC)		No problem! I'm very used to editing wikis. [[User:Equivamp\|Equivamp]] ([[User talk:Equivamp\|talk]]) 22:54, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

	== ~~otherkin~~.net ==		== Otherkin.net ==

	The archive link for otherkin.net doesn't work due to robots.txt; is there an alternative archive or a way to retrieve it? It's a historically important website and it's awful that it's gone down without a proper archive.		The archive link for otherkin.net doesn't work due to robots.txt; is there an alternative archive or a way to retrieve it? It's a historically important website and it's awful that it's gone down without a proper archive.
	--[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 23:07, 27 June 2016 (EDT)		--[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 23:07, 27 June 2016 (EDT)
			:I'm aware of the issue with the archive.org copy of otherkin.net. Portions of the site have been archived at http://archive.is/http://otherkin.net/* but which pages were saved were rather hit-and-miss and there are large portions of the site which were not archived. I'm working on a possible way to retrieve a complete archive of the site, and will keep you posted if I'm successful. Failing that, I may contact the site creator and see if he has a backup that he would be willing to share. -- [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User_talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 00:54, 28 June 2016 (EDT)

Visitor: /* otherkin.net */

2016-06-28T03:07:22Z

otherkin.net

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	The archive link for otherkin.net doesn't work due to robots.txt; is there an alternative archive or a way to retrieve it? It's a historically important website and it's awful that it's gone down without a proper archive.		The archive link for otherkin.net doesn't work due to robots.txt; is there an alternative archive or a way to retrieve it? It's a historically important website and it's awful that it's gone down without a proper archive.
			--[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 23:07, 27 June 2016 (EDT)

Visitor: /* otherkin.net */ new section

2016-06-28T03:06:59Z

otherkin.net: new section

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	No problem! I'm very used to editing wikis. [[User:Equivamp\|Equivamp]] ([[User talk:Equivamp\|talk]]) 22:54, 11 July 2013 (UTC)		No problem! I'm very used to editing wikis. [[User:Equivamp\|Equivamp]] ([[User talk:Equivamp\|talk]]) 22:54, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

			== otherkin.net ==

			The archive link for otherkin.net doesn't work due to robots.txt; is there an alternative archive or a way to retrieve it? It's a historically important website and it's awful that it's gone down without a proper archive.

Jarandhel: Correcting url.

2014-09-13T23:50:00Z

Correcting url.

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	: There aren't any. If anyone wants to make an article about anyone in the community, it's fair game, whether they're well known or unknown. The only guidelines with regard to articles about people are here: http://anotherwiki~~.dreamhart~~.org/wiki/Help:Stylebook#Articles_about_people [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 10:52, 25 December 2012 (PST)		: There aren't any. If anyone wants to make an article about anyone in the community, it's fair game, whether they're well known or unknown. The only guidelines with regard to articles about people are here: http://anotherwiki.org/wiki/Help:Stylebook#Articles_about_people [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 10:52, 25 December 2012 (PST)

	== Late response ==		== Late response ==

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	::::Oh wow, that explains a lot. There are a few archived sites I had previously recorded things from that went down later, and I just assumed that the website owners requested that they be removed from the archive. What a load of garbage; I wonder what the reasoning is behind the change given the intended purpose of the archive. --[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 21:20, 28 June 2016 (EDT)		::::Oh wow, that explains a lot. There are a few archived sites I had previously recorded things from that went down later, and I just assumed that the website owners requested that they be removed from the archive. What a load of garbage; I wonder what the reasoning is behind the change given the intended purpose of the archive. --[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 21:20, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
	:::::I think it was done as a measure to reduce their liability for copyright infringement. Unfortunately, the practical result seems to be that when the archived site's robots.txt file is unreachable they make the archive inaccessible. I've run into this on a couple of sites now. Thankfully, at the moment the archive appears to be accessible again and I've grabbed a quick and dirty copy of the relevant files from archive.org. The formatting is terrible, I admit, I was more concerned about getting the material than about formatting it for presentation. Here's a link to the 7zip file on my dropbox: [https://www.dropbox.com/s/79gl1buc8zj74h7/Otherkin.net_files.7z?dl=0 Otherkin.net files] Hope it covers what you're looking for. -- [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User_talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 02:55, 11 July 2016 (EDT)		:::::I think it was done as a measure to reduce their liability for copyright infringement. Unfortunately, the practical result seems to be that when the archived site's robots.txt file is unreachable they make the archive inaccessible. I've run into this on a couple of sites now. Thankfully, at the moment the archive appears to be accessible again and I've grabbed a quick and dirty copy of the relevant files from archive.org. The formatting is terrible, I admit, I was more concerned about getting the material than about formatting it for presentation. Here's a link to the 7zip file on my dropbox: [https://www.dropbox.com/s/79gl1buc8zj74h7/Otherkin.net_files.7z?dl=0 Otherkin.net files] Hope it covers what you're looking for. -- [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User_talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 02:55, 11 July 2016 (EDT)
			::::::Thank you so much!! It's still up on wayback so I'm going to take everything from there while it's still up for formatting's sake and download the archive for good measure. Hopefully the inaccessibility was a fluke of some sort and everything that had been taken down remains on the archive, but for now I guess it's time to make a mad dash to preserve as much as possible just in case, though I don't remember half of what I wanted to grab. :/ --[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 03:05, 11 July 2016 (EDT)

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	:::Well, the other thing is that otherkin.net was extensively archived by archive.org and there should have been no problem with the archive being maintained when the site was taken down. But for whatever reason, archive.org has recently made either a technical or a policy change which is resulting in some sites retroactively being removed from their public archives under _exactly_ the conditions that the archive was designed to preserve those sites. -- [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User_talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 19:16, 28 June 2016 (EDT)		:::Well, the other thing is that otherkin.net was extensively archived by archive.org and there should have been no problem with the archive being maintained when the site was taken down. But for whatever reason, archive.org has recently made either a technical or a policy change which is resulting in some sites retroactively being removed from their public archives under _exactly_ the conditions that the archive was designed to preserve those sites. -- [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User_talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 19:16, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
	::::Oh wow, that explains a lot. There are a few archived sites I had previously recorded things from that went down later, and I just assumed that the website owners requested that they be removed from the archive. What a load of garbage; I wonder what the reasoning is behind the change given the intended purpose of the archive. --[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 21:20, 28 June 2016 (EDT)		::::Oh wow, that explains a lot. There are a few archived sites I had previously recorded things from that went down later, and I just assumed that the website owners requested that they be removed from the archive. What a load of garbage; I wonder what the reasoning is behind the change given the intended purpose of the archive. --[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 21:20, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
			:::::I think it was done as a measure to reduce their liability for copyright infringement. Unfortunately, the practical result seems to be that when the archived site's robots.txt file is unreachable they make the archive inaccessible. I've run into this on a couple of sites now. Thankfully, at the moment the archive appears to be accessible again and I've grabbed a quick and dirty copy of the relevant files from archive.org. The formatting is terrible, I admit, I was more concerned about getting the material than about formatting it for presentation. Here's a link to the 7zip file on my dropbox: [https://www.dropbox.com/s/79gl1buc8zj74h7/Otherkin.net_files.7z?dl=0 Otherkin.net files] Hope it covers what you're looking for. -- [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User_talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 02:55, 11 July 2016 (EDT)

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	::Thanks a ton for doing this, I've been searching to see if the missing articles have been posted elsewhere online and transcribing them all onto /r/internetcollection on reddit for safekeeping. It's a real shame to see so many important websites from the otherkin community and other subcultures go down; I don't think the people taking them off the web understand how important they are for understanding the history of those subcultures and internet history and anthropology at large. I never thought this one would go down since it was around for ages and so well-referenced so I never thought to save it. I guess this might be a hard lesson about having expectations about the lifespan of old websites. :'( --[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 18:32, 28 June 2016 (EDT)		::Thanks a ton for doing this, I've been searching to see if the missing articles have been posted elsewhere online and transcribing them all onto /r/internetcollection on reddit for safekeeping. It's a real shame to see so many important websites from the otherkin community and other subcultures go down; I don't think the people taking them off the web understand how important they are for understanding the history of those subcultures and internet history and anthropology at large. I never thought this one would go down since it was around for ages and so well-referenced so I never thought to save it. I guess this might be a hard lesson about having expectations about the lifespan of old websites. :'( --[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 18:32, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
	:::Well, the other thing is that otherkin.net was extensively archived by archive.org and there should have been no problem with the archive being maintained when the site was taken down. But for whatever reason, archive.org has recently made either a technical or a policy change which is resulting in some sites retroactively being removed from their public archives under _exactly_ the conditions that the archive was designed to preserve those sites. -- [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User_talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 19:16, 28 June 2016 (EDT)		:::Well, the other thing is that otherkin.net was extensively archived by archive.org and there should have been no problem with the archive being maintained when the site was taken down. But for whatever reason, archive.org has recently made either a technical or a policy change which is resulting in some sites retroactively being removed from their public archives under _exactly_ the conditions that the archive was designed to preserve those sites. -- [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User_talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 19:16, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
			::::Oh wow, that explains a lot. There are a few archived sites I had previously recorded things from that went down later, and I just assumed that the website owners requested that they be removed from the archive. What a load of garbage; I wonder what the reasoning is behind the change given the intended purpose of the archive. --[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 21:20, 28 June 2016 (EDT)

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	:I'm aware of the issue with the archive.org copy of otherkin.net. Portions of the site have been archived at http://archive.is/http://otherkin.net/* but which pages were saved were rather hit-and-miss and there are large portions of the site which were not archived. I'm working on a possible way to retrieve a complete archive of the site, and will keep you posted if I'm successful. Failing that, I may contact the site creator and see if he has a backup that he would be willing to share. -- [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User_talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 00:54, 28 June 2016 (EDT)		:I'm aware of the issue with the archive.org copy of otherkin.net. Portions of the site have been archived at http://archive.is/http://otherkin.net/* but which pages were saved were rather hit-and-miss and there are large portions of the site which were not archived. I'm working on a possible way to retrieve a complete archive of the site, and will keep you posted if I'm successful. Failing that, I may contact the site creator and see if he has a backup that he would be willing to share. -- [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User_talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 00:54, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
	::Thanks a ton for doing this, I've been searching to see if the missing articles have been posted elsewhere online and transcribing them all onto /r/internetcollection on reddit for safekeeping. It's a real shame to see so many important websites from the otherkin community and other subcultures go down; I don't think the people taking them off the web understand how important they are for understanding the history of those subcultures and internet history and anthropology at large. I never thought this one would go down since it was around for ages and so well-referenced so I never thought to save it. I guess this might be a hard lesson about having expectations about the lifespan of old websites. :'( --[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 18:32, 28 June 2016 (EDT)		::Thanks a ton for doing this, I've been searching to see if the missing articles have been posted elsewhere online and transcribing them all onto /r/internetcollection on reddit for safekeeping. It's a real shame to see so many important websites from the otherkin community and other subcultures go down; I don't think the people taking them off the web understand how important they are for understanding the history of those subcultures and internet history and anthropology at large. I never thought this one would go down since it was around for ages and so well-referenced so I never thought to save it. I guess this might be a hard lesson about having expectations about the lifespan of old websites. :'( --[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 18:32, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
			:::Well, the other thing is that otherkin.net was extensively archived by archive.org and there should have been no problem with the archive being maintained when the site was taken down. But for whatever reason, archive.org has recently made either a technical or a policy change which is resulting in some sites retroactively being removed from their public archives under _exactly_ the conditions that the archive was designed to preserve those sites. -- [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User_talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 19:16, 28 June 2016 (EDT)

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	--[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 23:07, 27 June 2016 (EDT)		--[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 23:07, 27 June 2016 (EDT)
	:I'm aware of the issue with the archive.org copy of otherkin.net. Portions of the site have been archived at http://archive.is/http://otherkin.net/* but which pages were saved were rather hit-and-miss and there are large portions of the site which were not archived. I'm working on a possible way to retrieve a complete archive of the site, and will keep you posted if I'm successful. Failing that, I may contact the site creator and see if he has a backup that he would be willing to share. -- [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User_talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 00:54, 28 June 2016 (EDT)		:I'm aware of the issue with the archive.org copy of otherkin.net. Portions of the site have been archived at http://archive.is/http://otherkin.net/* but which pages were saved were rather hit-and-miss and there are large portions of the site which were not archived. I'm working on a possible way to retrieve a complete archive of the site, and will keep you posted if I'm successful. Failing that, I may contact the site creator and see if he has a backup that he would be willing to share. -- [[User:Jarandhel\|Jarandhel]] ([[User_talk:Jarandhel\|talk]]) 00:54, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
			::Thanks a ton for doing this, I've been searching to see if the missing articles have been posted elsewhere online and transcribing them all onto /r/internetcollection on reddit for safekeeping. It's a real shame to see so many important websites from the otherkin community and other subcultures go down; I don't think the people taking them off the web understand how important they are for understanding the history of those subcultures and internet history and anthropology at large. I never thought this one would go down since it was around for ages and so well-referenced so I never thought to save it. I guess this might be a hard lesson about having expectations about the lifespan of old websites. :'( --[[User:Visitor\|Visitor]] ([[User talk:Visitor\|talk]]) 18:32, 28 June 2016 (EDT)